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view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 09:22):

From: Stephan van Staden <Stephan.vanStaden@inf.ethz.ch>
Dear all,

This one should be simple. I'm looking for the name of the rule that
will do the job of RRR below:

lemma "\<forall> (a,b) \<in> S. P"
proof (rule RRR)
fix a b
assume "(a,b) \<in> S"
show "P" sorry
qed

Thanks in advance!

Stephan

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 09:22):

From: Stephan Merz <Stephan.Merz@loria.fr>
There is not a single rule that would introduce two quantifiers. You can either use rule allI twice (see the Isar combinator "+") or use the clarify method.

Stephan

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 09:23):

From: Stephan van Staden <Stephan.vanStaden@inf.ethz.ch>
Using allI twice (or with +) does not work for me, but clarify does the
job perfectly. Thanks a lot!

Stephan

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 09:23):

From: Tjark Weber <webertj@in.tum.de>
Hi Stephan,

clarify may do more than you want if S or P are compound terms. Here is
another solution:

lemma RRR:
assumes "⋀a b. (a,b) ∈ S ⟹ P"
shows "∀ (a,b) ∈ S. P"
by (metis assms splitI2)

Best regards,
Tjark

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 09:23):

From: Makarius <makarius@sketis.net>
Putting automated tools like "clarify" or "auto" in the initial "proof"
position is actually an anti-pattern of structured proofs. Sometimes it
cannot be avoided, but it should not be done by default.

Instead, the usual way is to make a bottom-up proof with automated
re-composition like this:

notepad
begin

have "∀(a, b) ∈ S. P"
proof -
{
fix a b
assume "(a, b) ∈ S"
have P sorry
}
then show ?thesis
by auto -- "terminal auto, instead of initial clarify etc."
qed

end

This can also cause surprises sometimes, especially with too general
types for the body within { ... }, but it usually works in a reasonably
robust way, and does not depend on the details of what automation does.

Makarius

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 09:23):

From: Stephan van Staden <Stephan.vanStaden@inf.ethz.ch>
Your solution works for me and is quite readable. Thanks for helping!

Stephan


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