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Topic: [isabelle] help with recdef definition and induction


view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 18 2022 at 10:44):

From: Lucas Cavalcante <thesupervisar@gmail.com>
1st.:
Is there some "For-Newbie Forum/Chat" about Isabelle? I think most of my
questions are about how to proceed more than how Isabelle works.
Forgive me for that.

2nd.:
Once I need to apply induction in a variable with 'bool' datatype I need to
'measure' this variable when using recdef. Is there a way how to make it by
using primrec, or i will need recdef?
If recdef is needed, i will need 'measure'. Thus I need the function to
define itself.

I was trying something like that:

consts f :: "bool => nat"
primrec
"f (~P) = 1 + f P"
"f (P->Q) = 1 + f P + f Q"
... (the other conectives, like &, | and <->)
"f P = 0"

But it says there is a constructor missing. (Then I began to use recdef)

3rd.:
Consider the following function:

consts sum1 :: '[nat,nat] => nat"
primrec
"sum1 m 0 = m"
"sum1 m (Suc n) = sum1 (Suc m) n"

Then I try to prove:

lemma 1: "sum 0 n = n"

by
apply (induct_tac n, auto)

resulting this:

!!n. sum1 0 n = n ==> sum1 (Suc 0) n = Suc n

but this remaing stage seems trivial by definition of sum1.
Is 'auto' instead other more specific methods a mistake?

Doesn't Isabelle allow the Complete Induction?

Thank You
Lucas

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 18 2022 at 10:44):

From: Tobias Nipkow <nipkow@in.tum.de>
It does not follow trivially - you have no defn or lemma which tells
you what "sum1 (Suc 0) n" is. You need to prove such lemmas first.

Tobias

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 18 2022 at 10:44):

From: Stefan Berghofer <berghofe@in.tum.de>
Lucas Cavalcante wrote:
It seems that you are confusing the datatype "bool" with the datatype of
boolean formulae. Note that for example the term "(~ True) --> False" of
type "bool" is equivalent to the term "True", but the above function would
map the former term to 2 and the latter to 0. Therefore, such a function
cannot exist. While the datatype "bool" just consists of the two constructors
"True" and "False", the datatype of boolean formulae could be defined as follows:

datatype form = TT | FF | Neg form | Impl form form | And form form | Or form form | ...

Note that the datatype package already provides a "size" function for this
datatype automatically.

Greetings,
Stefan


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