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Topic: [isabelle] nested multiset ordering?


view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 15:57):

From: Lawrence Paulson <lp15@cam.ac.uk>
I wonder whether anybody is aware of a formalisation (in any system) of the nested multiset ordering, as described in the classic paper "Proving Termination With Multiset Orderings”?

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.145.8728

There is, I believe, a connection with the ordinal epsilon-0.

Larry Paulson

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 15:57):

From: Ramana Kumar <rk436@cam.ac.uk>
I've only glanced at the paper briefly, so I'm probably wrong, but the
multi-set ordering in HOL4 (
https://github.com/HOL-Theorem-Prover/HOL/blob/master/src/bag/bagScript.sml#L2224)
looks similar. Then again, the comment there says it was "taken from [an]
Isabelle development", so is probably something you have seen before. In
particular, perhaps it doesn't cover the nested version you asked for.

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 19 2022 at 15:57):

From: Dmitriy Traytel <traytel@in.tum.de>
Hi Larry,

I don't have an answer to your question, but two related remarks.

1) If you deal with nested multisets, a good way to define those is to
use the new datatypes as follows (in Isabelle2014, in the development
version drop the "_new"):

datatype_new 'a nested_multiset = Elem 'a | Nest "'a nested_multiset
multiset"

You will get many conveniences including induction and primitive
recursion using this representation.

2) Concerning plain (nonnested) multisets: the definition of the
ordering that we have in Isabelle (the one Ramana pointed to in HOL4) is
neither of the classic ones (Dershowitz--Manna, Huet--Oppen). The
equivalences are not hard to prove, but if you happen to need them you
can reuse a proof that we (Jasmin and me) made in an ongoing
formalization of Bachmair and Ganzingers chapter "Resolution Theorem
Proving" in the Handbook of Automated Reasoning:
https://bitbucket.org/jasmin_blanchette/superformal/src/tip/thys/Multiset_More.thy.
At some point, much of the linked theory will migrate to
src/HOL/Library/Multiset.

Dmitriy


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