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view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 28 2026 at 10:46):

From: balazs.toth@lmu.de
Subject: [isabelle] Hooks that nudge LLM coding agents toward sledgehammer

Hi all,

Coding agents (Claude Code, Codex, OpenCode) often don't want to run
sledgehammer: they'd rather guess |by (metis foo bar)|, fail, and guess
again. They also like falling back to long |apply| scripts.

I wrote a hook that forces them, to a certain degree, to do it properly:

https://github.com/balazstothofficial/isabelle-agent-hooks

It sits in front of every |.thy| write. A closer that sledgehammer or
try0 could have found only goes through if a real search result shows up
in the agent's transcript, and |apply| steps get bounced with a pointer
to Isar. With that in place, agents fall into a decent workflow on their
own: Isar skeleton with |sorry|s, then one search per closer.

It is compatible with the I/Q (AutoCorrode) and isabelle-pide-mcp servers.

I've used it with Isabelle2025-2 and the development version together
with I/Q since July and for me it works very well.

Feedback is very welcome, especially if it blocks something it shouldn't.

Best,
Balazs

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view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 28 2026 at 11:39):

From: Makarius <makarius@sketis.net>
Subject: [isabelle] Hooks that nudge LLM coding agents toward sledgehammer

On 28/08/2026 12:45, balazs.toth@lmu.de wrote:

https://github.com/balazstothofficial/isabelle-agent-hooks

I am not going to look at it before the final release of Isabelle2026.

It sits in front of every |.thy| write.

This is not a proper concept of Isabelle/PIDE. In fact, it works via its own
internal file-system (better called document model).

AI agents are wrong in changing files "on disk". (Or the makers of these agents).

Makarius

view this post on Zulip Email Gateway (Aug 28 2026 at 13:39):

From: balazs.toth@lmu.de
Subject: [isabelle] Hooks that nudge LLM coding agents toward sledgehammer

On 28.08.26 13:37, Makarius wrote:

On 28/08/2026 12:45, balazs.toth@lmu.de wrote:

https://github.com/balazstothofficial/isabelle-agent-hooks

I am not going to look at it before the final release of Isabelle2026.

It is not meant as an addition to the Isabelle distribution or anything.
It is just a small tool that can be configured for coding agents.

It just prevents coding agents to do certain tools calls, e.g. through
MCP servers.

It sits in front of every |.thy| write.
The only thing I meant with that, is that the hook is active if a tool
call from a coding agent targets a .thy file.

This is not a proper concept of Isabelle/PIDE. In fact, it works via
its own internal file-system (better called document model).

AI agents are wrong in changing files "on disk". (Or the makers of
these agents).

Makarius

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